Maybe Those Tea Party Protesters Were Right About the Bailouts
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Nashville's Tea Party protesters already know where they sit. They're against it all. And in a certain sense, they may be right. Not that they understand economics any better than we do. But they do know that whenever government's involved, things go south awfully quick.
First come news that the biggest welfare recipients are using our own money to lobby us for more. According to the Associated Press, "The top 10 recipients of the government's $700 billion financial bailout spent about $9.5 million on federal lobbying during the first three months of the year." Lead among them is GM, which burned through $2.8 million in lobbying in the first quarter alone.
And as the Tennessean pointed out yesterday, there are now nearly 20 criminal investigations concerning "public corruption; corporate, stock and tax fraud; insider trading; and mortgage fraud" relating to bailout money.
Is it time to reinstate the guillotine?
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What a bait and switch! The government made this possible by voting for the bailouts, and you want to guillotine the recipients?
For one hundred years, intellectuals have been blaming all the problems they have created with their legislative schemes on their victims. This snark is another example of that.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 7:49AMWhy was Marsha Blackburn invited to the Nashville Tea Party? She is part of the problem.
Economic Stimulus. H.R. 5140, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, passed 385-35 on January 29, 2008 (Roll Call 25). It would provide about $150 billion in economic stimulus, including $101.1 billion in direct payments of rebate checks (typically $600) to most taxpayers in 2008 and temporary tax breaks for businesses. Creating money out of thin air and then spending the newly created money cannot improve the economy, at least not in the long term. (If it could, why not create even more money for rebates and make every American a millionaire?) The stimulus has no offset and thus increases the federal deficit by the amount of the stimulus because the government must borrow the rebate money. A realistic long-term stimulus can only be achieved by lowering taxes through less government and by reducing regulatory burdens.Marsha Blackburn voted FOR this bill.(Source: The New American – July 21, 2008)
Marsha Blackburn is my Congressman.
She is no conservative.
See her unconstitutional votes at :
http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=614
Mickey
TO: All
RE: STOP IT!
"Is it time to reinstate the guillotine? " -- Pete Kotz
You're scaring them to death....
"VIENNA, Va. -- The acting chief financial officer of Freddie Mac, David Kellermann, has apparently committed suicide, Fairfax County Police tell WTOP." -- Drudge Report link
Or maybe he's another Vince Foster? Or Ron Brown? Or Airman Womack? Or one of four former Secret Service Security Detail who guarded then-Governor Clinton?
Oh God! Is the body-count business coming back again?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[History repeats itself. Especially if it was successful the first time.]
Actually I do know economics better than you do - that's why I was at a Tea Party protest. I got a business undergrad and an MBA, followed by a lifelong interest in the field of finance and economics.
You got a J degree.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 7:57AMIt doesn't take an economist to know that spending more money to get out of debt is the pinnacle of stupidity. Particularly when it involves the government giving large sums of money to organizations and projects that give no return to the investment. But hey, we can all feel better knowing we're post-racial (whatever the hell that means) even though there is a man sitting in the White House right now that apparently didn't pass high school economics. Hopechange!
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 8:09AM>Is it time to reinstate the guillotine?
No, that's a little extreme. It may be time for tar and feathers, however.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 8:11AMBrett says:
What a bait and switch! The government made this possible by voting for the bailouts, and you want to guillotine the recipients?
Indeed. The tea partiers, by and large, aren't mad at corporations for accepting the bailouts. If you were the CEO of a struggling company and the government wanted to throw a couple billion dollars at you, wouldn't you take it, and then try to get more?
The tea partiers are mad at the government for being so stupid as to give the bailouts to these failing companies to begin with, for rewarding epic failure with boatloads of taxpayer dollars. Members of Congress are the ones that should be worried about the guillotine - the CEOs would merely die of starvation after their money trough ran dry.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 8:12AMWhile it is easy to get all riled up about the fact that bailout receipents are lobbying the government just take a step back a second and look at it from their angle. Given the move by government to assert ever greater control over the decisions of a business that for whatever reason accepted bailout money - wouldn't it be in their best interest to do what they can to try to mitigate the increasing risk that government wants to impose?
I am not in anyway supportive of government intervention into private enterprise - either through bailouts, subsidies or tax preferences. However at the same time with a government that plans to spend and amount equal to almost 1/3 of the gross domestic product and that has it hands and controls over nearly every facet of business decision making through the myriad of government regulators it seems to me a fully defenseable approach to employ full time lobbyist to attempt to maximize the benefits while minimizing the damage.
If we truly want to stop the special interest from hijacking our liberty and property than it seems to me the better solution is to minimize the role of government in our lives. Just ask yourself this question - how much would a company spend on lobbying the government if all of its spending combined where less than 3% of the GNP and its regulatory reach was limited to one or two areas. It seems to me that a substantially smaller government would be a better cure to the problem than ranting about a logical defensive move by a rational business decision maker.
Just a thought
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 8:29AMWe have public corruption problems here in the US and you want to reinstate the guillotine in France?
More seriously, the guillotine represents rule of men, not of law, and the very anarchy of process and complexity constructed by the corrupt and now used to veil their machinations for power, privilege and personal profit.
What we need is not a guillotine. What we need is to put down the rule of men and take up the rule of law. For that we have a sharp sword -- our Constitution. If we demand adherence to it once again, we will destroy the constructions, expose the corruptions and deliver justice in accord with the beliefs of a good and honest citizens.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 8:40AMRemember that some of the financial institutions that were in good shape on their own were nevertheless arm-twisted by the government into taking the TARP money.
Now that the politicians have decided they want to start micromanaging every aspect of all those companies operations, some of those companies want to give the money back.
But it appears that the current administration would rather keep control of those companies than take the money back.
This is about more than bailouts - it's about a government takeover of private industry.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 8:45AMWho goes first? Can we have an internet vote?
(1) Pelosi
(2) Frank
(3) Dodd
Not that they understand economics any better than we do.
You need to rethink this if you do not understand that spending trillions of taxpayer money in a recession only makes the problem worse. Millions of people understand this, which is why they are protesting the bailout.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 9:09AMWell, the acting chief of Freddie Mac, David Kellerman, killed himself last night.
At least that's a start.
Now if we can just convince the rest of these people to somehow die ...
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 9:18AMA bas Le Guillotine, a la Lanterne.
The truth of the matter you see
The main terror was in the Vendee
They did not get the chop
Instead got the drop
From a lantern or maybe a tree
....nnnn..'o.o'..uu!u....algie
Illegitimi nOn carborundum
What part about spending three times more money than can ever be paid back in our life-time, is so hard to grasp? It's wrong on so many levels,
1) If you did it, you would be in jail.
2) Your children will be paying for favors long, long gone.
3) The far too much of it was for election paybacks: AIG/FANNIE/FREDDIE/UAW/ACORN
What did your parents give you for advice when you went to live on your own? Mine said:
1) Never buy what you can't afford, in other words: live within your means.
2) Never sign anything without reading it.
3) Stay true to your word: mean what you say, say what you mean.
For the first time in my 50 years, I wish we had Parliamentary Government. I vote: "No Confidence"
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 11:01AMJane - do we have to pick one? Why not do the three at the same time :)
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 11:10AMHow typically condescending of the Scene for someone to write
-"Not that they understand economics any better than we do. But they do know that whenever government's involved, things go south awfully quick."
How do you know that they don't? Clearly tea party protestors are well enough aware to protest out of control spending that the MSM failed to question loudly enough. For instance, I don't see many articles that talk about how Obama wants Chrysler's secured lenders to give up their right to recovery in a bankruptcy in return for 15 cents on the dollar, and since most of these banks were forced to accept TARP money, Obama can threaten them with reprisals if they don't accept his offer.
Where is this all-knowing journalistic insight that is so clearly intellectually superior to the knaves protesting at the tea party protests? The protests are educating Americans more than the media when it comes to this disasterous nationalization of our economy.
And you idiots wonder why you're going out of business.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 11:44AMAmen, Dusty! Is there a state sovereignty bill afoot in your state legislature?
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 12:00PMAlas, no. As in times past, New York relies on others do the heavy work on Constitutional issues so that our Legislature can keep free it's precious time for dawdling and diddling.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 1:09PMAside from economists and people with brains the size of Oldsmobiles, who among us is smart enough to know if throwing around all that money -- and assuming all that debt -- will actually work?
Let's say a fellow - we'll call him Sam - is in debt for ten thousand dollars, and cannot even keep up with the interest payments. Sam decides that in this moment of crisis, the normal rules of savings and spending no longer apply. He borrows another twenty-five thousand dollars from Li and Ahmed.
Will that solve Sam's financial problems? What will happen to Li and Ahmed if Sam defaults on his loans? What effect will Sam's debts have on his children?
I have neither a degree in economics, nor an Oldsmobile-sized brain. Despite my limitations, the results of Sam's experiment are clear to me. Mr. Kotz thinks he can fool the rubes by pretending the magic word "government" changes the basic rules of finance. No, sir, we are not fooled. The Federal Government is repeating the mistakes of the 1970's, and will get the same dismal results.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 2:01PMActually I do know economics better than you do - that's why I was at a Tea Party protest. I got a business undergrad and an MBA, followed by a lifelong interest in the field of finance and economics.
Thanks for stepping up to the chopping block.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 3:13PM"Bribees" are guiltier than "bribers". "Bribees" set up road blocks to take bribes. "Bribers" pay bribes to get thru. No road blocks, no bribes.
Lobbyists are "bribers", politicians are "bribees".
In America, when things blow up, "bribees" pull the strings of their pitchfork-marionettes to skewer the "bribers". One set of "bribers" down, another set spring up to take their places. "Bribees" set up more road blocks to take more bribes from more "bribers".
"Bribees" are blood sucking vampires. They may assume the form of a donkey or an elephant. Their pitchfork-marionettes will always shield them from the Tea-partiers' stakes.
Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 22 2009 @ 3:41PM













