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US Ambassador Keyes is one of the plaintiffs in a raft of cases that have been filed since June of '08. All they want to see is a $10 birth certificate! At least 4 congressmen have now signed onto a lawsuit requiring Obama to produce, birth records, college applications and passport records. Although the Senate had hearings during the primaries regarding John McCain's eligibility, they refused to verify Obama. Currently the president has only provided a short form certificate to a website, and not to any government verification agency. He has spent $1000000 hiding his past. An example of a short form certificate is the Hawaiian birth certificate of Sun Yat-Sen, the first president of the Republic of China, who's long form birth certificate shows him to be born in Guangdong, China He obtained the same kind of short form Hawaiian birth certificate as Obama which also states his place of birth as Honolulu, even though he didn't come to the US until he was 14. (Obama Family and Kenyan officials have given affidavits that he was born in Kenya, his mother wasn't old enough to confer any kind of US citizenship to him if this is true). We know Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, and records from his school list him as an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. This required him to drop any other citizenship. As far as we know, unless he applied to become a naturalized US citizen when he became an adult, he is an Indonesian citizen still. As an Occidental college student, age 20, he traveled to Pakistan, which had closed it's borders to US citizens. The current court case requires Obama to open records he has meticulously sealed from public scrutiny, school admission records, passport records, and a long form birth certificate. Why spend a million dollars to hide something if you are 'transparent' and have nothing to hide?

Mainskeptic: It hasn't been debunked, it's be brushed under the rug by the media, the SCOTUS, and by Barry. Anyone who attempts to hide something so simple as his original birth certificate is hiding something. That's nothing less than obvious.

I don't think this is the worst thing BHO has done, if true. Murtha is going down over phony campaign contributions. that will be the messiah's undoing.

Heavy says:

I can't wait! Race riots, blood in the streets.
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Yes, folks, that's the mentality of those pushing this issue.

And they wonder why people think they're crackpots!

These guys are just doing what the mainstream media should have done before the election. The MSM failed us by not properly vetting Obama.
I am a lifelong democrat and I would love to join their lawsuit. It doesn't make us radicals just because we want to see the constitution respected by everyone, including Obama.

President Elect Obama's birth place was confirmed by Kenyan Ambassador in call to Ambassador Peter Ogego placed by Detroit radio station WRIF's "Mike in the Morning” on 11/21/2008. Ambassador Ogego confirms President Elect Obama's birth place in Kenya is “already an attraction" and that there’s no need for a monument to mark President Elect Obama's birth place in Kenya because “its already well known”. Here is the audio link. The confirmation is about 2/3 the way thru the audio . . . . . . but the first part authenticates the phone call.

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

For real? The Rif? That's your trump card?

Not to mention, Aunt B. -- the COLB says that it's PRIMA FACIE evidence, so the burden will not be shifted to the defendant unless the plaintiffs can come up with credible evidence to the contrary. Game over.

"Not a single Hawaiian official has disavowed the assertion on the COLB -- an official state document -- that he was born in Honolulu."

There is no such assertion on the COLB. It is a well known fact that that form was routinely issued to babies born around the world of American parents from Hawaii when the child was brought into Hawaii. He could have been born in Timbuktu and still gotten that COLB when he returned to Hawaii. It proves nothing.

Besides, there is considerable proof that the document itself is a forgery which is interesting since we do know that he was either born in Hawaii or in Kenya and, in either case, would have qualified for that document. Why the forgery?

It's likely that he is a US citizen, but I believe he's hiding it because it says he's a Muslim. Just a theory...

Anonymous says:

The goal is the socialization of America, the North American Union, destruction of the dollar in favor of the Amero and, ultimately, the New World Order.

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LOL!! I wonder if the poor deluded Tennessee state legislators realize that this is what they've signed onto!

Us: What will it take for you to believe that President Obama is a U.S. citizen?

Them: If he shows us his birth certificate.

Us: He has and it's been authenticated.

Them: That's not enough.

Us: Oh good night, nurse. *click*

Us: *click*

Us: *click*

Them: We're still here. You can't hang up on a blog.

Us: Good grief.

If mom said he was born in Honolulu, then the COLB would say that as well when mom went to register his birth nor does that address the issue that the COLB presented was forged.

Let's delve deeper.

It's a fact that Obama went to Indonesia and a.) was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, b.) had his name changed to Barry Soetoro and, c.) went to school.

It's also a fact that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenships or allow children with foreign allegiences to attend school at that time so Barry's mother had to relinquish his citizenship in order for Barack to a.) be adopted and, b.) go to school. Legally, Barry would have to be naturalized on his return to the U.S. (Hawaii) and would have to legally change his name. No documentation of either has been found which brings into question his legality.

Next, several people have indicated either directly or indirectly that Barack was born in Kenya. Barack has gone to lengths to seal any extant Kenyan records. Why?

Barack has gone to lengths to seal his college records. Why? Suspicion is that he attended as Barry Soetoro and with no paperwork indicating a legal name change, Barack is really Barry and is using an illegal alias.

If Barack is a usurper, which we believe he is, then we are in the midst of a very serious Constitutional crisis and his motives must be questioned. As Commander in Chief, his orders may well be contrary to the best interests of the country.

Of course all of this might be pure BS but without the Birth Certificate, without the passport records, without the Kenyan documentation, we can't know the truth.

Why has Barack Obama, or whatever his name is, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars (approaching a million) to hide documents that should have been verified long, long ago? A $12, long-form Birth Certificate would shut us up - why won't he produce it?

I don't care how you feel. We have a Constitutional right to know that our President is who he says he is and is eligible to hold his position as the POTUS.

Until that happens, your arguments will fall on deaf ears.

There is absolutely no credible evidence that

o "the COLB presented was forged"

o "Obama ... was adopted by Lolo Soetoro"

o "Barry's mother had to relinquish his citizenship" (there is no legal way a parent can relinquish a child's citizenship)

o "Barack has gone to lengths to seal any extant Kenyan records"

o "Barack has gone to lengths to seal his college records"

o "Barack Obama ... spent hundreds of thousands of dollars (approaching a million) to hide documents"

"Until that happens, your arguments will fall on deaf ears."

You gotta be kidding! You're the one having trouble getting anyone to believe this nonsense -- I'm perfectly happy with the percentage of the population that agrees with me.

"I don't know. In a twisted way, it kind of warms my heart to discover that so many people think the government has such long-term efficacy."

Aunt B, you're right about the lack of intellectual integrity on the part of the birthers.

I said this elsewhere, but the other nice piece of hypocrisy and perversion of logic is the charge that Obama leads some sort of cult of personality. When you read the snide references to "sheep" and "The One" and "your Messiah" and all that, you realize that these folks hate the guy so much that they have formed the opposite of a personality cult, and in their half-formed brains make an assumption that because they hate him irrationally, anyone who voted for him must love him irrationally. Ergo, personality cult. But it feels as though they're not describing anyone I know who voted for him, and are only talking to each other ABOUT each other.

And that's why the birthers are so ridiculous. For all of the attempts to posture their views as eminently reasonable ("why won't he meet our standard of evidence?"), reason is perverted to support their hatred and ideology.

Nobody except inhabitants of the far right echo chamber are listening, folks. Find an actual position to oppose, and do it in a rational way, without demonization or your weird code words.

"You gotta be kidding! You're the one having trouble getting anyone to believe this nonsense -- I'm perfectly happy with the percentage of the population that agrees with me."

This is not a Democracy. How many people agree with you is irrelevant. Obama's own words in his autobiography provide adequate background to justify an investigation IF the courts are bound by the Constitution.

Clearly, they are not. Our illegal and unconstitutional tax system is proof of that. Our illegal gun laws such as registration, background checks, machine gun ban, 'assault' weapon ban are proof of that. Our illegal 1st Amendment infringements such as the refusal of the central government to address repeated calls for redress of grieveances are proof of that. The illegal and unconstitutional Federal Reserve Bank system is proof of that.

I could go on and on but 95% of what the central government does, including ALL social programs, is unconstitutional. Their powers are specified by our Constitution and we wsere/are fools for ever allowing them to get a finger outside the box.

"Keep in mind that when Hawaii became a state, they handed out birth certificates to anyone who asked for them, in order to establish residency for the new state. But it doesn't prove Obama is a natural citizen. "

Another example of lies. At some point, doesn't the fact that either their "facts" are received or new lies make this people stop for a second? Answer: it would if they actually gave a damn about anything other than total warfare directed at the President of the United States.

So here you go, dumbass: Hawaii became a state in August of 1959. Obama was born in August of 1961. It seems like you're saying that upon statehood, Hawaii created birth certificates for anyone who asked, regardless of validity, but even if that falsehood were true, IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO OBAMA.

Stop lying, you pricks.

DG says:

It seems like you're saying that upon statehood, Hawaii created birth certificates for anyone who asked, regardless of validity...

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Plus, the COLB was issued in 2007.

Does anyone really believe that the State of Hawaii -- under a Republican governor, no less! -- would issue an official document stating that it is prima facie evidence even if the contents were false?

It simply boggles the mind.

Above, Eric's claim that Kenya admitted Barack Obama was born in Kenya relies on a conservative radio station, who relies on World Net Daily, which has an article that states:

"Embassy: Obama not born in Kenya
Office claims ambassador was speaking about president-elect's father in radio interview"

That's what your source says.

"Please cite the standard of evidence set forth in the Constitution."

You've got to be kidding me. Haven't you read the Constitution? There are three mandated qualifications to be the POTUS. The only one in question says that only a 'natural born citizen can be the POTUS (or, by extension, the VP or Speaker of the House for that matter) and they make it clear what they meant by grandfathering themselves (British subjects). It doesn't take a Constitutional scholar to deduce that such proof BY THE CANDIDATE is mandatory.

If your question is, "What constitutes a 'natural born citizen'?", my answer is to go do your own research. It's all online.

If you dig just a bit more deeply, Tom, you find that that revelation was recorded on audio and is available on YouTube. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14

The Kenyan authorities are trying to spin it by saying that the ambassador was actually talking about Barack's father but the message is very clear. His English isn't bad enough to allow for misunderstanding ALL of those questions.

Dale says:

No matter which side you are on, it is quite evident just by looking at the response to this article that this issue is not going away anytime soon. It's going to be a distraction to Obama's presidency until he let's us see into his veiled past.

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LOL!! If you think he has a "veiled past," it's clear which side you are on.

There are still people who think the earth is flat. The question is, how seriously should they be taken, and how much of the President's valuable time is worth devoting to them.

I think he's made the right call, but of course time will tell.

His reported father was not an AMERICAN he was a Kenyan. No one disputes this! That alone gives him dual citizenship at the least. His mother was only 17 so she could not transfer her American citizenship to her new born son. So, BO's a Brit. Either 1/2 Brit. or full Brit., either way not a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN. Stop lying and crying! WE have an ILLEGAL ALIEN PRESIDENT! Bring Back "W"! While we still have an AMERICA, like the AMERICA our forefathers founded! STOP THE LIES! & the MARXIST ties!

"The question is, how seriously should they be taken, and how much of the President's valuable time is worth devoting to them."

Interesting questions. He has teams of attorneys fighting to preserve his secrecy. That's an indisputable fact. That has to be taking up a great deal of his 'valuable time' and money. Wouldn't simply releasing his Birth Certificate and Passport to revelant authorities simplify his life and reassure a significant portion of the population who are deeply concerned? What possible motive could he have for hiding the information from us?

"I think he's made the right call, but of course time will tell."

Why do you think that? Why is his blatant and audacious action which hides the truth from We The People the "right call"?

I'm sorry; my mistake. I assumed some intelligence and minimal education on your part. These "," are quote marks. They indicate that I am repeating someone else's words.

If you still don't understand, there are many online English lessons that can clarify the use of quote marks for you.

Sorry, Chris, but I consider all of that irrelevant.

Nothing here or anyplace else that I'm aware of proves that Barack is a natural born citizen. AAMOF, the simple statement from the Third Congress. . .

"...children of citizens [plural, i.e. two parents] of the United States...shall be considered citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (THIRD CONGRESS Sess. II. Ch.21. 1795, Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415. Document margin note: "How children shall obtain citizenship through their parents" Document margin note: “Former Act repealed 1790 ch.3.”) See Attachment A.

proves to me that he can NOT be eligible. I guess rather than asking IF he's a usurper, I should be saying, in the loudest possible manner:

BARRY SOETORO, A.K.A. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, IS A USURPER AND A TRAITOR!

Why is no one paying attention? I can't answer that. It's totally unbelievable to me. I will simply keep on keepin on until we get to the truth - whatever that is.

BTW, I have a First Amendment right to be heard and I will stay as long as I care to. Capiché?

Dude, you have a right to post all day and night about this if you want. Doesn't make you right. A citizen of the U.S. is someone who is born here, period. And of course you consider all evidence to the contracy irrelevant, because it doesn't mesh with your preconceived notions. All of that stuff you posted, is for children born overseas who have one or more parent who is a citizen. Seeing that Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen. You cannot seriously believe that no government authority, including those who don't like Obama, would let something that you seem to think is so obvious, slide like that. Seriously, are you buying that? I think your hatred is blinding your common sense.

And for your info, we have had other presidents born on U.S. soil to non-native born parents, most notably Andrew Jackson, who was born in South Carolina less than 2 years after his Scotch-Irish parents arrived here.

Your argument is complete bunk and I also realize that you will never concede that point. But, hey, good luck in convincing as many people out there that there is something sinister going on because it will mean more people aren't discussing real issues and Obama will probably be reelected.

"Incredible!! That's another lie!"

Actually, that's a lie. The quote you used was: "why won't he meet our standard of evidence?" which are not my words. You knew that, of course, and used it to try to trick me into attempting to prove something that doesn't exist. Nice try.

Nobody has to show you shit, crackpot.

"And for your info, we have had other presidents born on U.S. soil to non-native born parents, most notably Andrew Jackson,"

The fact that you mainlined heroin once and didn't get prosecuted for it does not set a precedent. Get caught doing it again and you'll go to jail.

I can not change what has happened in the past - I can only try to prevent it from happening again today or in the future. Had I been alive then and knew of the issues, I would have argued just as vociferously as I am today.

The original quote came from the message:
Posted On: Monday, Feb. 16 2009 @ 12:58PM

That's where I got my quote and my response was predicated on it. Yes, I should have used my own words rather than parroting his but my meaning was clear.

You're right, the readers can make up their own mind on this minor point - if they care to chase it back.

Regardless, I proved my point and that is that Obama is ineligible to be the POTUS.

so far, y'all have won the skirmish but the war is FAR from over.

Paul Smith, Eric, Joe Shea, Anonymous:

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"You might be interested to know that your Reps lawyer is a Russian immigrant dentist who got her law education from a correspondence school..."

And that's relevant because. . .?

If anything, we have somebody who's been there and done that and is concerned that we are losing our country. I could not be happier that she is Russian. As to the correspondence school nonsense, she had to pass the same bar exams as did your $1000 suits from Harvard and she probably had to work twice as hard to get there. I'll take a self-educated lawyer any day over your suits.

MaineSkeptic says:

Sue in MI says:

You might be interested to know that your Reps lawyer is a Russian immigrant dentist who got her law education from a correspondence school...

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Not only that, but read her cover letter to Chief Justice Roberts

Yes, quite a reputable group out there...

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You tease and belittle an immigrant who has worked hard to become an American citizen, learn a very difficult trade and who fights YOUR battles for you. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh, I forgot, you're liberals.

Also, it's clear neither of you has spent an hour in a courtroom or watched courtTV. The crap I've heard from lawyers is often just plain embarrassing - even from those arguing before the SCOTUS.

Let he who has committed no sin cast the first stone.

I have a question for all of you...why does Obama never acknowledge that he is half white? Why did he pay so much credit to the Kenyan Father he never knew during his inauguration speech, rather than to the white mother who provided for him in his youth, or the white grandparents who helped rear him? Some say the COLB he provided is sufficient...okay then why aren't his college records and medical records accessible? He is hiding behind his "blackness" and hiding much more than that. He claims "transparency" in government yet won't disclose his own records...WHY? Something isn't right.

Joe, you do NOT lose your US citizenship by living abroad or being adopted by a foreign national. Was he adopted in the US or Indonesia? (Indonesia) and Americans are not subject to foreign laws, only American laws. You can go to the state dept. website and read about the ONLY ways you can lose your citizenship and all of them require that you be an adult.

He lived in Indonesia from age 6-10. He fly back the US with the same US passport issued to him before leaving Hawaii(that is how it works, very simple). US law doesn't make you drop your 'natural born citizenship' because another country doesn't recognize dual citizenship.

There was NO travel ban at the time Obama went to Pakistan, that is a lie based on a ridiculous assumption. I've even seen websites addressing this ridiculous discussion eventually deny this was true.

There is no evidence of Obama being born in Kenya. The signed affidavits that have been claimed to have been signed in Kenya are anonymous. His grandmother was asked leading questions by a man who obviously had the idea Obama was born there. On top of that the connection was bad and the room his grandmother and translator were in was noisy. They corrected the mistake clearly upon realization of a misunderstanding. Websites often cut the conversation off just before they correct themselves(what do they have to hide?).

There is no evidence his then 17 yr old mother and college student ever went to Kenya. According to his book he wrote while in law school, the idea she'd of flown to Africa during an uprising while pregnant is absurd, but of course, these nuts think he was planning to be president when he was 6 and has been covering up things and altering his REAL identity the whole time.

"Sun Yat-sen was born on November 12, 1866 in Cuiheng, China, about 12 miles away from Guangzhou. His birth certificate issued by the Territory of Hawaii substantiates that he was born in the Kingdom of Hawaii on 24 November 1870,[4]"

1870!?!? hahaha Yes this is clear evidence that the STATE Of Hawaii in 1961 gave out birth certificates 'willy nilly' to just about anyone.

That is insane at worst and a pathetic reach at best.

Another thing, Obama's birth certificate is not "meticulously sealed". The state of Hawaii will not show any of their citizen's birth certificates to just anyone, including deluded and obsessed conspiracists who imagine they are on the cutting edge of the biggest hoax in world history.

There is also NO evidence Obama spent 10$s on keeping things sealed(that the state of Hawaii does for free). They simply make this number up.

Posting a certificate of Live birth on some internet website is no proof.

I want proof, show me proof!!!

I can't stand it, everyone is called crazy for asking to see the document. Enough already!

So, a cop pulls you over and wants to see your drivers license and you say, oh, I posted it on a web site go look it up. Never mind that the DL # is blacked out.

Any alteration on the Certification makes it null and void. Just look at the doc. Never mind any scan on the internet could be forged!! Come on you guys. Don't you even care a wit about this country enough to demand that the person in the highest office of the land at least show he is legit?

Come on already, enough of the name calling to those who just want to see a little piece of paper presented to a court of law.

He Has spent hundreds of thousands -- Just look who Obama has hired as his lawyers to keep this document from anyone: One law firm was the firm that represented Bill Clinton in his Lewinsky / Impeachment trial. And another one is the top lawfirm for CAIR the islamic relations organization.

Now, Obama wants to place 'monetary sanctions' on anyone bringing forward a lawsuit questioning his natural born citizen status.

Ok, if you don't care you just don't care. I can't make you care. Except I know of many thousands buried in Arlingon Cemetary who cared enough to give their lives so that you can call anyone stupid. It is a shame our nation has descended to such depths.

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shar says:

Forget the birth certificate for a minute. What about all the other records Obama has sealed. Why? Please explain to me why all historical records regarding Obama have been sealed?
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From my research it appears that his records are subject the same privacy protections that apply to all of our records.

Please, can you provide some credible evidence -- not just internet rumors -- that he has had his records sealed?

Dear MaineSkeptic:

Being as this blog is on the internet, i don't see it possible for me to provide you any evidence unless you want me to mail my investigation logs to you. Do you have any ideas why a president demanding transparency would want to keep his privacy private? Do you want to know anything personal about your President? Do you want to know why the MSM has shoveled this subject so far underground, even when questions arise that need to be addressed?

shar says:

Dear MaineSkeptic:

Being as this blog is on the internet, i don't see it possible for me to provide you any evidence unless you want me to mail my investigation logs to you.
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Thanks for the offer, but that shouldn't be necessary. I would be happy if you would tell us what credible sources have reported that Obama's records are, at his request, being treated differently from anyone else's. For example, there's a statement from Hawaii saying specifically that he has received no special treatment, that everybody's records are sealed in the same way.

Do you have evidence to the contrary? Can you tell us what it is?

Dear MaineSkeptic:

You never answered my questions. You just keep asking me more. Why don't you answer my questions with something besides another question? Have you seen anything Obama wrote in college; i.e. thesis, law review articles? Have you heard any stories about Obama by anybody who went to school with him? Have you seen any medical records other than a one-page dr. letter (McCain had over 1000 pages)? Have you seen his passport records? Have you seen anything about his Harvard years that indicates his grades or his ability to afford going to such a college? I have more questions for you, MaineSkeptic, since you seem interested.

BTW, Hawaii officials stated they saw his birth certificate, but they didn't say what it said. Do you know the dr. who delivered you, MaineSkeptic? I know who delivered me and I know my Mother signed my birth certificate and it says which hospital I was born in. I would not be ashamed or reluctant to show all this information if I was President. I would not hire lawfirms to hide such facts from the inquiring public. I think the USA has a right to know their President is indeed eligible to be President, and I think it is wrong for the Courts to keep denying cases.

I don't claim to know anything about Obama. I just want to know more about my President, and there seem to be no clear answers. Do you have clear evidence, MaineSkeptic? A COLB does not do it for me.

All of these hospitals were called from November 20 - December 2nd 2008. It is confirmed, OBAMA not born in any hospital in Honolulu County! NONE FACT!
Hospitals you can check yourself, Maine Skeptic.

The Queen’s Medical Center - Honolulu, Hawaii Obama claims as his birth hospital

Kapi’ olani Medical Center Obama’s sister claims Barack Obama born here
Honolulu Shriners Hospital Never a patient Mom or Obama
Straub Clinic & Hospital Never a patient Mom or Obama
Hawaii Health Systems Corporation - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Cancer Institute of Maui - Wailuku, Hawaii No Comment ???

Kuakini Hospital - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Rehabilitation Hospital of the Pacific - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
St. Francis Healthcare System of Hawaii - Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Straub Heatlh - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Tripler Medical Center - Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Wahiawa General Hospital - Wahiawa, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
Wilcox Memorial Hospital - Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
We were pretty detailed in our calls. You can look at every hospital here and call any of them. You can file freedom of information acts, you can do everything and anything you wish. Barack Obama was never born in a hospital in Hawaii as claimed.

MaineSkeptic,

I have no evidence about anything. That is the whole problem. Can you get that through your head or do you just want to keep pounding it in over and over and never answer any of my questions?

MaineSkeptic,

Get YOUR fact straight. I said this in a previous message: "I don't claim to know anything about Obama. I just want to know more about my President, and there seem to be no clear answers. Do you have clear evidence, MaineSkeptic? A COLB does not do it for me."

Whatever, you think you are so smart, MaineSkeptic. I only want to know that I can trust Obama, and there has not been any evidence from anybody to allay my doubts, which makes me doubt even more. People like you don't help either. Your snobbish attitude in your messages proves to me that you think you are way above me. "Your angry posturing just makes you look foolish." See what I mean? Nobody likes being called foolish, and I have not been angry at all. I just have questions that are not being answered by you, by Obama, by the MSM, and it goes on and on and on.

Please don't respond to me unless you can be civil.

I believe you have no more answers than anybody else does. Tell me something I don't know. Enlighten us with your great wisdom, oh great judge of knowledge and proof. LOL!

LOTS of people (not just a few) have lots of questions about Obama, but no answers are available anywhere without Obama's permission. Whether or not the records are sealed isn't really my focus anyway. I just want to know if the man is eligible to be our president, and ALL records that would answer that question have been withheld. If somebody knows a way to get answers, then I would love to hear from them.

So hes spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to prevent to release of the Document.

It costs 10 dollars to release it, or 5 seconds to grab it from your personal files.

YOU CAN NOT DOUBT THAT IF SOMEONE IS SPENDING A FORTUNE TO KEEP SOMETHING PRIVATE THEN THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE DOCUMENT HE DOES NOT WANT US TO SEE.

THAT IS UNDENIABLE. Game Over

I don't know what he is hiding, but anyone who has a brain cell and can put their biases aside can't deny he is hiding something.

Chris says:

Nevermind that even World Net Daily, the religious right's wet-dream of an internet publication ... admitted that their own experts couldn't find evidence of forgery in Obama's short form birth certificate.

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Actually, the article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214) went even further than that:

"A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there."

Some months later they published another article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84065+) claiming the first didn't say what it clearly said. But both articles are online -- it's easy enough to see that the later denial is simply untrue.

No matter what you say, MaineSkeptic, you still can't answer why Obama doesn't just provide the original complete vault BC. You can spin it all you want, but the bit O is hiding something.

If you go back through the many blogs on this issue you will find people like Main Skeptic, Alferd and a host of others that post there BS 24/7. They are part of the team of bloggers hired by Obama to control the blogs and there should simply be ignored. They are simply spewing as much BS they can to try and obfuscate the issues.

The question they all dance around is the simple fact that the State of Hawaii has announced they are holding the original vault birth certificate. Regardless of what any of the Obamabots say a copy of that vault birth certificate could easily be produced and certified by the State. The vault version is the only one that would have verifiable facts such as the name of the hospital, witnesses or doctors. All of which is conveniently left of the short form abstract of birth aka Certification of Live Birth produced by Obama.

Thank you, Big John.

Big John says:

If you go back through the many blogs on this issue you will find people like Main Skeptic, Alferd and a host of others that post there BS 24/7. They are part of the team of bloggers hired by Obama to control the blogs.

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LOL!! Well, since I know with certainty that you're lying about my being hired by Obama, any credibility you may have had is right down the toilet.

But what difference does it make? You're not convincing anyone of anything anyway.

Google Mainekeptic and it will take you to many many blogs over many months that Maineskeptic has been blogging on the topic for months pretty much 24/7. Here is one from a brief google search:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/17/obama-birth-certificate-injunction-denied-by-the-supreme-court/

MaineSkeptic,

It now appears that YOU are the blogger who looks foolish. It also appears that you really do not care much about the USA or the Constitution or the fact that the current so-called President may not, in fact, be eligible for the office. Are you wasting your time here, MaineSkeptic? It appears more and more people are catching on to this issue. Why not be sensible and admit that there is cause for people's concerns with regard to this issue. It is not going away, no matter what you say or how many hateful names you call the people who do care.

Nah, MaineSkeptic, you are nothing but a bully. I am not worried about you at all, doh! LOL. Too much time on your hands? Why don't you do something useful and give blood or something.

I may be dumber that the dumbest... BUT I finally figured out this whole mess.

When Obama's mom passed away.. she was the only witness to where he was actually born.

There are no records available to PROVE that he was not born in Hi.

As a student of constitution law.. he KNOWS all the ins and outs about the Law.

He has managed to SEAL ALL DOCUMENTS that could prove or disprove his being a naturalized citizen.

His Kenyan grandmother has stated that he was born in Kenya.. BUT once he won the democratic nomination. NO ONE is allowed to contact without Kenyan Government Approval. The same goes for any records in Indonesia.. the Ambassador to Indonesia.. managed to have all RECORDS SEALED THERE AS WELL.

There is NO INFORMATION available to how he paid for college, how a B- High Student got into Occidental.transferred to another Ivy League Private school and then got into Harvard.

Now entrance exam scores, no applications, so scholarships received, not paperwork trail at all until AFTER he entered Harvard. Then all records regarding his attendance, are sealed.

He is a smart lawyer... that has managed to cover all PROOF of who and what he is and was.

The only POTUS that has no background other than what he tells us in his books.. and all published after his mother died.

His father was a British Citizen... at at the time... the law said his citizen passed from his father to the son.

Before you jump to conclusions you must be aware of the full details.

But if our legal system says that we the people have to PROVE that Obama is not a naturalized citizen... then there is no way in H-ll that will happen.

HE WILL NOT AN CAN NO UNSEAL ANY INFORMATION without telling the truth.

Thus the MAN THAT IS OUR PRESIDENT HAS NO HONOR. Just blind ambition.

chris1974: Tell you what. I could prepare a set of interrogatories, subpoenas and document requests that if a court were to allow the matter to proceed to discovery we could get to the bottom of this in a couple of hours. Formal discovery would include the vault birth certificate, school records, selective service records, passport records and other documentation that has been sought after but refused under the Freedom of Information Act or are sealed under privacy laws. So far all of the cases have been dismissed on legal technicalities of lack of standing and no formal discovery has been allowed. So we do not need Obama to show up, just the relevant records that the Democratic Party should have reviewed prior to placing his name on the primary ballots.

There are promising legal actions where discovery is being filed and at some point whatever Obama has been trying to hide will come out. I am sure you agree that if he is found not to be eligible he will need to be removed from office, as an ineligible person cannot serve even if sworn in.

But you seem to want to turn this around. Obama is the one that applied for the position. This issue was raised by Hillary last February and the Democratic Party failed in its obligation to vet Obama. Obama then produced a worthless document to pro-Obama websites and they declared he was a natural born citizen. Very similar to Obama clearing himself of any involvement in the Blag affair. While many people are willing to accept the BS Obama produced and say he is a natural born citizen, those that look at the facts and understand he has obstinately refused to produce a copy of his vault birth certificate recognize this for what it is.

McCain had the same questions and he produced all of his records to the Senate for public review.

So keep shoveling the BS, but the truth will out on this issue at some point.

Actually Gary Kreep, Esq. and Alan Keyes have served a subpoena to Occidental College for Obama's school records. Let's see if Obama applied as a foreign exchange student.

Sorry Main, that is not relevant. Again, need the vault copy and other records to get to the bottom of this. Please show where on the short form abstract of birth produced by Obama where it states the name of the hospital, doctors or witnesses or any other independent verifiable facts. Take your time.

MaineSkeptic:

The one thing that keeps me lmao at all these "tailored" statement of "proof" is that most of them had their genesis in e-mail chain letters, and manage to totally misrepresent the applicable sections of the constitution as it relates to a natural citizen... not to mention of course the ludicrous aspect of a universal conspiracy that includes SCOTUS, other courts, the RNC, the DNC, Obama's previous candidate opponents, as well as authorities in Honolulu.

Given that they do say hearty laughter is the best tonic for a long life, I expect to be around for at least the next 8 years as these birth conspiracists no doubt end up sans hair, sans fingernails and sans toenails. No doubt then they'll return to their flat earth and Loch Ness monster theories.

I will agree with you that Obama was born. The question that needs to be answered is a very strict requirement to meet the natural born standard and the location of the birth is an important part of that. As you know there could be a Kenyan birth certificate on file in Hawaii and a Certification of Live Birth listing Honolulu as the place of registration would be produced.

So it is important that the original birth certificate be produced that includes the verifiable facts. Again, $10.00 and a certified copy with that information can be produced. The hospitals, doctors and witnesses can then be contacted to confirm the event.

Big John says:

As you know there could be a Kenyan birth certificate on file in Hawaii and a Certification of Live Birth listing Honolulu as the place of registration would be produced.

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LOL!! I didn't notice this first time through.

The COLB does NOT list Honolulu as the "place of registration." It lists it as the "City, Town or Location of Birth."

You are lying big time now, Big John. You must really be getting desperate.

LOL!! I nominate this for inclusion in the archives!

That's easy, that he/she is a gullible fool.