Romney: Palin in Comparison

Posted August 29, 2008 at 01:26:20 PM by Bruce Barry

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It's truly bizarrely absurd to hear McCainsters saturating the airwaves with praise for Sarah Palin as an "inspired choice" two days after the McCain campaign produced an ad calling Obama "dangerously unprepared." (Some bearded dude on Fox just called her "a perfect, perfect pick.") The hypocrisy here is breathtaking.

But lost in the understandable attention to the surprise Palin pick is the fact that this effectively nails the coffin of Mitt Romney's presidential hopes. His feckless high-cost low-yield primary campaign made it clear that the only path that will take him to the Oval Office runs through the vice presidency. With McCain now giving Romney an ignominious brush-off in favor of someone whose public service has mostly involved elective office in a town with a population one-tenth the size of Passaic, New Jersey, it's time for the Mittman to face reality and move on to his next ideologically vacant ambition.

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Gilbert Martin said:

"Sarah Palin as an "inspired choice" two days after the McCain campaign produced an ad calling Obama "dangerously unprepared." "

What has Obama ever accomplished that proves he's more prepared to be in charge of anything than Palin?

Absolutely nothing. Being a "community organizer" doesn't mean diddly squat.

She has actual management experience as a Governor and he doesn't.

The bottom of the Republican ticket has more management experience than the top of the Democratic ticket.

Emmett Flatus said:

Thou shalt not succeed in removing Herr Barry's blinders, GM. Give it up.

S-townMike said:

I just wonder if this signals that McCain may appoint the cast of "High School Musical" as his cabinet.

ScottJ said:

Absolutely hilarious Gilbert. Let's talk experience and accomplishments for Obama. Experience- 8 years in the IL State Senate, then almost 4 years in the U.S. Senate. Compare that to 20 months as a governor of a tiny state. To try to compare the two is laughable and absurd.

As for accomplishments, successful community organizer, Harvard Law educated(Law Review President), best-selling author. Palin? No clue.

It's almost like the GOP chose someone as unqualified as possible to try to make some wierd Rovian argument that "Obama is really unqualified because he is as inexperienced as her". Makes no sense.

P.S. Since it was ok for the GOP to do, I demand to know when Palin last visited Iraq! When will she visit Iraq next? When will she visit any foreign countries?!? I demand an answer immediately! And when she does go, she will instantly be an elite celebrity!

mb said:

Let me start by saying I am a registered Independent voter. I tend to vote Democratic but hate to simply follow a party line, if you will. I examine the issues and both sides each time I vote.

I am astonished how the conservatives are touting Sarah Palin. Yes, she is a mother. Yes, a mother of Five. Yes, she even has a child with Down's Syndrome. Yes, that may mean she chose to have her baby knowing of the challenges ahead. But FGS (For God's Sake), doesn't anyone wonder a) how can she be any better than a C-grade mother to five young children while running the state of Alaska, never mind the fricking country? B) if she has an army of nannies to do this, does that bother anyone but me? C)doesn't anyone else think it might be better for her large family-and special needs child-for Mom to be more present and taking care of them?

I ask these questions as a mom of three, who knows very well the high demands of children's schedules, developmental and emotional needs. I'm sure this woman loves her children and does her best, but does anyone else wonder why she'd choose following a demanding political career over raising her family? I just don't see how you can do both-to such an extreme. And while my perspective is limited to me working my measely civilian job around my tribe's needs, I seriously think the republicans are fooling themselves with all their bullshit banter about How great it is she's a mother of five and blah blah blah. That just shows you how completely removed they are from the every day moms who struggle to keep their kids in good order while working some dumb day job. They have absolutely no idea what the Average Family Life is really like if they think she's a great example.

Anyone have anything on this? I really want to be supportive of women in office and all that, but really? Is she the one? I don't doubt you can work and have kids and a fulfilling career, but really? VP? Or in the case of McCain's geriatry, potentially the P? I think it's bullshit.

bsm said:

Let me start by saying I am a registered Independent voter. I tend to vote Democratic but hate to simply follow a party line, if you will. I examine the issues and both sides each time I vote.

I am astonished how the conservatives are touting Sarah Palin. Yes, she is a mother. Yes, a mother of Five. Yes, she even has a child with Down's Syndrome. Yes, that may mean she chose to have her baby knowing of the challenges ahead. But FGS (For God's Sake), doesn't anyone wonder a) how can she be any better than a C-grade mother to five young children while running the state of Alaska, never mind the fricking country? B) if she has an army of nannies to do this, does that bother anyone but me? C)doesn't anyone else think it might be better for her large family-and special needs child-for Mom to be more present and taking care of them?

I ask these questions as a mom of three, who knows very well the high demands of children's schedules, developmental and emotional needs. I'm sure this woman loves her children and does her best, but does anyone else wonder why she'd choose following a demanding political career over raising her family? I just don't see how you can do both-to such an extreme. And while my perspective is limited to me working my measely civilian job around my tribe's needs, I seriously think the republicans are fooling themselves with all their bullshit banter about How great it is she's a mother of five and blah blah blah. That just shows you how completely removed they are from the every day moms who struggle to keep their kids in good order while working some dumb day job. They have absolutely no idea what the Average Family Life is really like if they think she's a good example of it.

Anyone have anything on this? I really want to be supportive of women in office and all that, but really? Is she the one? I don't doubt you can work and have kids and a fulfilling career, but really? VP? Or in the case of McCain's geriatry, potentially the P? I think it's outrageous.

Gilbert Martin said:

"Absolutely hilarious Gilbert. Let's talk experience and accomplishments for Obama. Experience- 8 years in the IL State Senate, then almost 4 years in the U.S. Senate. Compare that to 20 months as a governor of a tiny state. To try to compare the two is laughable and absurd"

The only thing hilarious is your attempt to puff up Obama. Obama has no executive management experience at all - zero, zip, nada.

Oh and you better brush up on your geography. Alaska is not a "tiny state" - it's the largest state in the Union.

BoydBBiggs said:

Bruce is dead right about how McCain's choice undercuts his ability to attack Obama (with any credibility, anyhow) on the experience issue. It was my first thought, too, as I scratched my head over this when I heard the news.

I like what I read about Palin and think she has promise AS TIMES GOES ON. She seems to come from the old, nearly extinct Theodore Roosevelt honesty-in-government wing of the party, with her efforts to undo the corruption of Ted Stevens and Frank Murkowski. I read that, while is staunchly opposed to gay marriage, she also vetoed a bill that would have outlawed "partner benefits" in Alaska. People like her give me some hope yet that the Republican Party might be redeemed from the slobber-slinging dogmatists like Gilbert.

That said, one would have to be on crack (or be a slobber-slinging dogmatist) to delude oneself into thinking that Palin has any more experience than Obama. While she did serve as a chief executive, she represented a population smaller than that represented by Nashville's mayor and probably less than Obama represented for his district in the Illinois State Legislature. Her only other elected office involved two terms on the city council of Podunk, Alaska.

I happen to think experience can be way overrated. George W. Bush, after all, served two terms as governor of one of our three largest states and had a business career and a Harvard MBA to boot. Even all but the Gilbertiest of the GOP slobberers now publicly admit that George W. Bush has gifts of good judgment and managerial sense comparable to those that God conferred upon leghorn roosters.

I like Palin. Nonetheless, McCain's pick was surprising because it takes away one of his big campaign issues. Next time the Republicans rail about Obama's relative lack of experience or readiness for the office, the counterargument will go that McCain apparently doesn't think experience matters all that much, or else he would not have picked Sarah Palin.

The counter-counter argument -- I can hear Bill Hobbs' wheels slowly creaking -- is that experience is not so important in a vice president as in a president. The counter-counter-counter argument is that the readiness of McCain's VP choice to step in as president takes on a much bigger importance that most VP choices because he would be the oldest person ever at the time of his inauguration -- and even though he seems hale now, the office ages people rapidly.

Maybe McCain's people calculated that choosing a woman would (forgetting Geraldine Ferraro for a moment) would steal some of Obama's thunder as a pathbreaker; or maybe they thought this choice would help them strip away the most singleminded of the Hillary voters; or maybe they thought it would help blunt the image of the GOP as the party of old white men. Or maybe it was just that McCain wanted someone whose temperament fit with his own maverick reputation and had the misfortune of belonging to a political party where mavericks have practically been hunted into extinction.

This is, after all, a party in which the fastest way to the top is to whore yourself as regularly and shameless as Marsha Blackburn, whose aptitude for repeating the bosses' talking points is notable. It is hardly surprising that such people, who have vied to outdo each other for the past eight years in telling us how intoxicatingly beautiful the emperor's clothes are, would suggest that the choice of Palin is the product of cosmic wisdom.

As for Fox News, let's be honest: The best thing Roger Ailes and Sean Hannity could do to demonstrate their love for America is to go home tonight and fire a bullet into their mouths.

Gilbert Martin said:

"..she represented a population smaller than that represented by Nashville's mayor and probably less than Obama represented for his district in the Illinois State Legislature."

That's very cute. Representing an area as a legislator is not in any way comparable to managing anything at all.

The rest of your blovating post is nothing more than hot air.

Maggie said:

bsm--
What a sexist load of crap, and from a woman. I believe I see a father in attendance. Maybe he has stooped low enough to help his wife parent, or God forbid, shared equally in the parenting role. Could he even be a stay at home Dad or maybe he has decided to put his career on hold so she can do this? Where have any of the male politicians been when their children are being raised and needed their Dads? Can we compare the Palins to the Obama family and see who has accumulated the most in babysitter hours? Blache Lincoln, D-Ar, has practically raised twins in her service in DC, but I guess it is ok because she is a Democrat.

The Democrats had the chance to put the best of their party on the ticket and blew it. Hillary is free of any childrearing tasks. Ok, maybe one big child. Love ya Bill.

Anonymous said:

Okay, forget that part where I wrote about "High School Musical." I do have a serious question: does she know how many homes she owns?

ScottJ said:

Gilbert, you are so disingenuous it's hilarious.

Alaska is tiny- 670,000 people. Not as tiny as Wasilla, which is Palin's only other political experience, but still...

What do we know about Palin's 18 months of "managing" a budget slightly bigger than the size of Nashville? We know she has some great GOP style managing, trying to strong arm the state police commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.

Look at what your Messiah Karl Rove said about Tim Kaine.

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."

Where does that leave Palin?

Marvin said:

I heard "Palin" was McCain's choice and I thought, Michael Palin? Seems like an odd choice. Cleese or Idle maybe...

Here is a Rush Limbaugh quote today: "Sarah Palin. Babies. Guns. Jesus. Hot damn!"

And I believe Palin favors drilling in ANWR. McCain does not. Will McCain flip-flop on that issue now?

Cindy McCain said:

Man, am I pissed. She's younger and prettier than me. I had told John not to even think about a trophy veep, but he just said, "Shut up, you cunt."

disgusted said:

If John McCain wins and drops dead two months after he takes office, is she prepared to become president of a country at war, a nation with serious economic and other problems? No. And that should be of great concern to all of us. What this choice shows me is that John McCain is far more concerned about winning an election that he is about the welfare of the nation. Five children and an NRA membership do not qualify anyone to assume the highest office. This terrifies me. And, I have to add something that may sound sexist, but it's not. How in the world can a mother who has children at home, including a four-month-old baby with special needs, commit to the grueling demands of a campaign between now and November. She cannot do both and has chosen the latter. That doesn't represent family values - no way no how.

disgusted said:

If John McCain wins and drops dead two months after he takes office, is she prepared to become president of a country at war, a nation with serious economic and other problems? No. And that should be of great concern to all of us. What this choice shows me is that John McCain is far more concerned about winning an election that he is about the welfare of the nation. Five children and an NRA membership do not qualify anyone to assume the highest office. This terrifies me. And, I have to add something that may sound sexist, but it's not. How in the world can a mother who has children at home, including a four-month-old baby with special needs, commit to the grueling demands of a campaign between now and November. She cannot do both and has chosen the latter. That doesn't represent family values - no way no how.

Gilbert Martin said:

"Gilbert, you are so disingenuous it's hilarious."

I'm glad your'e having fun.

So am I listening to you attempt to spin away the fact Obama has no management experience at all.

And that is the salient point for the Democrat flacks trying to claim that McCain's VP pick "nullifies" the no experience argurment against Obama. It's not that she's has the greatest management experience in the world - it's that she does indeed have some and he has none whatsoever.

Oh yeah but he did write a book about his favorite subject - himself.

bsm said:

Dear Maggie-Never said she couldn't do the job because she's a woman. Please, put a woman on the ticket. Just not sure she's the right one, and I'm insulted if McCain thinks she IS the right one just because she has five kids and chose not to have an abortion. Women are smarter than that and moms will absolutely question her decision as they promote their Family Values banter. It just reinforces the disconnect between McCain and the average family. And by the way, I'd also question any father who'd have five kids, one with special needs, who didn't feel the need to be closely on-hand for their partner and their kids full time. You sign up to have a child-one-two-three-four-five kids-and your selfish needs get knocked off the pedestal. Add in a special needs child? The responsibility and sacrifice is exponentially greater. As Disgusted said, you can't do both. No way, no how. Sorry, Mags.

ScottJ said:

Gilbert- This "No Management" argument is Rovian bull. Palin has been through 1.5 budget years on a budget the size of a medium U.S. city. Illinois' budget is over 10x as large, so I'm fairly confident that Obama understands these concepts from his time in the state senate. I'm not engaging in this argument any further, because it is so absurd that even discussing it grants it legitimacy.

Meanwhile, you've ignored all of my points about Palin's being completely unqualified, but that is not a surprise from you.

Here's the thing: the key factor in this decision was not who could defend this country were something dreadful happen to McCain in office but how to minimize Obama's convention bounce and use women's equality as a wedge issue among Democrats because it might secure a few points here or there. This is McCain's sense of honor and judgment. This is his sense of responsibility and service. John McCain: Politics First, Country Last.

W D Humpfree said:

The political way is a never-ending marvel to me. Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton considered himself to be the “best politician” in the democratic party, thus qualified to become our electorally anointed one. Early on, his dodge and weave performance with Arsenio Hall absolutely substantiated his own opinion of himself.

So, now we are treated to another variation of the way of the politician. Absolutely nothing matters but election. Not the economy. Not the Iraq boondoggle. Not family values. Certainly not integrity.

In Barack's contest with Hillary, he was absolutely better looking. (I remain convinced Bill got elected by the nations females because he was so drop-dead gorgeous, and Hillary, lets face it, is a dog.) Folks just liked the way Barack looked and sounded better than Hillary. Also, in addition to her lack of good looks she was harsh and shrill.

However, Sarah on the other hand, looks even better than Barack. And she's female!!

Experience? Well, at least Old John went to war when he was young, although I'm not just exactly sure how being a POW for five years is a presidential qualifier. But, he does know how to count and more than likely strongly suspects Barack will probably receive most of the votes from the black electorate.

Count the votes boys and girls. There are a whole lot more female voters than black ones, even excluding black females—some of whom probably will vote for Sarah anyway. So-----was Sarah a worthwhile choice for a running mate. What do you think?

Gilbert Martin said:

"Gilbert- This "No Management" argument is Rovian bull. Palin has been through 1.5 budget years on a budget the size of a medium U.S. city. Illinois' budget is over 10x as large, so I'm fairly confident that Obama understands these concepts from his time in the state senate. I'm not engaging in this argument any further, because it is so absurd that even discussing it grants it legitimacy."

LOL

There's no reason for you to "engage" it any further because you've already lost it.

And Karl Rove has nothing to do with it one way or another. I haven't said a word about him. Just because he's a bugaboo for you doesn't mean anything to me.

How big Illinois' budget is or isn't vs anwhere else is irrelevant. Obama wasn't managing any budget. He was merely one of a bunch of legislators.

The truth about Obama's real "experiece" in Chicago is starting to come out despite his campaign operative's and the willing lackeys in the liberal media attempts to keep it under wraps. His deals with Tony Rezko and his association with the unrepentent Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers among other things.

Obama's campaign tried to get the government to force a TV add about his relationship with Ayers off the air. Stifling of freedom of speech is apparantly part of the "change" that Obama constantly squawks about.

Obama was involved with a foundation called the Chicago Annenburg Challenge. Ayers was one of the founders of that organization. There are detail records of that organization at the Daley library at the University of Illinois at Chicago that undoubtedly contain information that Obama does not want revealed. The library officials are blocking access to those records.

Just political business as usual in Chicago. And Obama has been up to his neck in all along despite his attempts to spin himself as some sort of post partisan "new politician".

Anonymous said:

"Here's the thing: the key factor in this decision was not who could defend this country were something dreadful happen to McCain in office but how to minimize Obama's convention bounce and use women's equality as a wedge issue among Democrats because it might secure a few points here or there. This is McCain's sense of honor and judgment. This is his sense of responsibility and service. John McCain: Politics First, Country Last."

And this is another load of bull.

Who could defend the country?

Who is going to defend the country if Obama becomes president?

He hasn't accomplished a single thing in his life that proves he's any more competent on national defense or foreign policy than Palin would be.

ScottJ said:

Nice, Gilbert, very telling. Running with lies propagated by a bigot like Jerome Corsi. Good company for you to run with, right in line with the content of your usual posts. That you can't respond substantively about Palin is all that needs to be said. In any event, the reviews are in, this pick is a disaster. Mission Accomplished!

NashTeach said:

Stifling of freedom of speech is apparantly part of the "change" that Obama...

Who wrote that campaign finance bill again? What was the name of it?

ConcernedIndependent said:

You guys are nitpicking about 18 months, 2 years, city council/mayor/legislature/whatever. I don't believe experience trumps either temperament OR judgement. Remember that GHWB had the best looking resume in history, as far as experience goes - and one term in office. His son, GWB had 2 terms as governor of a major state, supposed business experience and... deplorable judgement at every turn. When I look at McCain and Obama, I see superior decision-making by Obama (from overcoming several negative factors that early life threw at him to his ability to outmaneuver the Clinton machine and win the Democratic nomination). McCain's current station in life appears more to be the result of birthright, dad's pull, subpar piloting, surviving the results of his subpar piloting (along with hundreds of other POWs), fortune in spouse and now becoming the recipient of the wholesale Bush/Cheney election machine. Palin is his first decision/judgement as an executive and he truly underwhelmed me. I'm an Independent who very much wanted McCain in 2000. He's not the same guy, and I've lost respect for him after he didn't stand up to Bush and stay his own man. His time was 2000, and he didn't overcome Bush. Watch clips of then and now. He's not the same.

ScottJ said:

And lo and behold McCain didn't even want to pick Palin. He toed the line for the right wing. John McCain: Politics First, Country Last. From the NYTimes:

"For weeks, advisers close to the campaign said, Mr. McCain had wanted to name as his running mate his good friend Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, the Democrat turned independent. But by the end of last weekend, the outrage from Christian conservatives over the possibility that Mr. McCain would fill out the Republican ticket with Mr. Lieberman, a supporter of abortion rights, had become too intense to be ignored."

W D Humpfree said:

"Politics First, Country Last." Yea, verily.

Personally, I had hoped McCain would name Lieberman. That would have been entertaining.

Joe pulled off a stellar performance when he collectively shoved it up the ass of his Connecticut Democratic machine and got himself re-elected anyway. Who knows what kind of political razzle-dazzle he might have contributed to what is yet again, becoming tiresome posturing and electioneering.

Oh well, to hell with it. I'll just go back to my cave and tune to the Science channel.

Gilbert Martin said:

"That you can't respond substantively about Palin is all that needs to be said. In any event, the reviews are in, this pick is a disaster. Mission Accomplished!"

You never made any "substantive" point about Palin to begin with. All you did was unsuccessfully attempt to denigrate her experience. The fact remains that she has more management experience than Obama who has none whatsoever.

ScottJ said:

Just makes no sense, Martin, but what else is new? It is patently absurd to suggest Obama has never "managed" anything. Besides, I think Obama's campaign for president, which incidentally has run about as long as Palin's term in office, demonstrates his "managing" style and capabilities just fine.

Palin's "management" experience meanwhile? Let's see, as mayor of her podunk town she ran up massive debt and fired department heads who didn't support her election campaign. She also wanted to censor books in her local library.

She supposedly stands up to GOP corruption, but yet welcomed support from Ted Stevens and Don Young and money from those same officials and lobbyists. She supported the Bridge To Nowhere and further favored loading up on pork before the GOP lost their majority. And clearly her management style includes ignoring science, since she doesn't believe in global warming or evolution. And of course, let's not forget Troopergate and other stories emerging demonstrating a management style that is based upon personnel decisions based entirely on personal matters.

Yeah, that's a real prize of a "manager", you got for yourself, Martin. You need to get a better attack line. Time to call up your buddy Jerome Corsi, maybe meet up with him at the next Klan meeting, and get some new fake attacks ready.

Gilbert Martin said:

"It is patently absurd to suggest Obama has never "managed" anything."

Nope it is a fact and you aren't the least bit capable of refuting it.


"Besides, I think Obama's campaign for president, which incidentally has run about as long as Palin's term in office, demonstrates his "managing" style and capabilities just fine."

LOL - he isn't "managing" his own campaign you idiot - the campaign managers he's hired are doing that. That's why they are called campaign managers.

"Time to call up your buddy Jerome Corsi, maybe meet up with him at the next Klan meeting, and get some new fake attacks ready."

I never heard of Jermoe Corsi until you metioned him and you aren't the least bit capable of proving that anything I said about Obama was a lie.

Stanley Kurtz of National Review is the one ivestigating the ties of Obama to William Ayers.

It is an establihed fact that Ayers was a founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge foundation. It is an established fact that Obama was the Chairman of the Board of that foundation. It is an established fact that Daley library at the University of Chicago has a collection of documents generated by that foundation that it is refusing to allow access to.

You cannot disprove a single word of any of that - period.


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Gilbert Martin said:

And here are some more inconvienient facts about the "new" style politican Obama that prove he is anything but that:

"Antoin "Tony" Rezko and Barack Obama first met in 1990 through one of Rezko's companies, Rezmar. Rezko had a knack for finding future political talent and investing in it early. Three years later in 1993, Obama took a job at the Chicago law firm Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland, which represented three community groups in partnership with Rezmar. Through them, and with Obama's help, the law firm helped Rezko obtain over $43 million in government funds to 'improve' low-income apartments. Years later, in one of Chicago's coldest winters in recent years, we would find out that a dozen different lawsuits came to light in which the City of Chicago had to force Rezmar to turn on heat for its tenants; some of them had gone over five weeks without heat of any kind. Also, more than half of Rezmar's buildings went into foreclosure, and several had to be boarded up. It turned out Rezmar had done the work on the cheap, according to a former employee who wished to remain anonymous. Great use of government spending, eh?

At this point, Rezko had not only been sued by the City of Chicago for failing to heat his low-income apartments, but was also caught using a black business partner to obtain a minority set-aside to illegally get a fast-food franchise at O'Hare Airport. By now, Rezko had become a pro at exploiting the black community. Yet Barack had decided to move into politics with a run at State Senate, and despite knowing all of this, Obama would accept plenty of his donations for this and future runs. The day his State Senate campaign started, Obama received $2,000 each from two of Rezko's fast-food businesses. Rezko was not only a donor, but had become someone Obama could rely on to build his early political foundation."

The whole article here:

http://www.redcounty.com/national/2008/04/obama-watch-barack-on-ethics-o/

And, Scotty boy, you aren't the least bit capable of disproving a single word of THAT either.


Double J said:

It was a surprise choice, but I agree.

PROVE to me that Barack has more experience than her. He has ZERO executive experience and half the time he has been in office he has been pushing himself as President instead of gaining more experience.

Agreed with the above he doesn't manage anything, he has peeps for that...all he does is look good and speak well about all this "change" he wants to make. What exactly is this change? It seem she can never expound on it.

Cuba wanted change. They got Castro. Yikes.

And last I heard most marriages are a team. It might be unconventional, but I am more than sure that her husband has stepped up to the plate and sacrificed for her greatly. How many MALE politicians have done the same as Palin is doing, it's just a switch from male to female.


ScottJ said:

Ahh, distraction tactics, because you know full well it's ridiculous to suggest Palin is qualified to be VP. There is no evidence that she has done a thing as governor, either through herself or those managing her office. But at least if you assert others were running her office you could blame someone else for all the personnel problems and soap opera theatrics.

Your smears, meanwhile, have been proven nonsense long ago, by a host of media.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html


The Ayers nonsense is even more ridiculous, because it doesn't demonstrate anything, other than related service in a common group. There is no allegation of anything. Contrast that with McCain and Keating 5 where there was actual wrongdoing.

Let the desperation grow Gilbert, it will only make your posts more humorous....

ScottJ said:

So much for the "fighting corruption in her own party" and "being independent from the Alaska cronies" meme's...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html

That's not ch-ch-change we can be-believe innnn....

ScottJ said:

Want to talk about associating with troubling groups, how about Palin being a member of the AIP, whose only real goal is for Alaska to SECEED from the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ

Wow, talk about radical...

Just unbelievably, laughably, poor judgment on the part of McCain. Then again McCain even says in his own book that he has poor judgment and decisionmaking skills:

"I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can...Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint."

Great way to live, Senator, but this country can't afford those consequences, though I'm sure Gilbert is ready to ride shotgun on that Bridge to Nowhere.....

John McCain - Politics First, Country Last

ScottJ said:

Oops, spelling error on "secede" there....

Also, the hits just keep on coming, Palin has now lawyered up in the face of Troopergate. Maybe her lawyer can "manage" a response that is a little better than the level of management Palin brought to the Governor's office, which Gilbert finds to valuable...

http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8933043

Heckuva pick, Johnny!

Anonymous said:

"Ahh, distraction tactics, because you know full well it's ridiculous to suggest Palin is qualified to be VP."

You have posted nothng that proves that she isn't nor have you posted anything that proves Obama is any more quailified for anything than she is.

"Your smears, meanwhile, have been proven nonsense long ago, by a host of media."

There isn't anything I've posted that has been disproven by anyone - period.

Matt S. said:

I think Michael Kinsley addressed this conversation nicely over at Slate:

"The whole 'experience' debate is silly. Under our system of government, there is only one job that gives you both executive and foreign-policy experience, and that's the one McCain and Obama are running for. Nevertheless, it's a hardy perennial: If your opponent is a governor, you accuse him or her of lacking foreign-policy experience. If he or she is a member of Congress, you say this person has never run anything. And if, by any chance, your opponent has done both, you say that he or she is a 'professional politician.'"

But that shouldn't stop on the gotcha arguments, right?

Taterman said:

"It turned out Rezmar had done the work on the cheap, according to a former employee who wished to remain anonymous."

No THERE'S an ironclad source if there ever was one!
Does he also have the proof that Bill Clinton shot Vince Foster??


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